Chris White, Former MP

Social Value Conversations - 5 Minutes with Chris White, Former MP Director of Industrial Policy and Insight Centre. MTC Manufacturing Technology Centre,

Without you, the Social Value Act would not be what it is today. Can you tell us where it all started?

It started life as a Private Member’s Bill in 2010. I was a newly-elected Conservative MP at the time and was selected high on the list on the ballot to propose a bill. We could have put forward any multitude of suggestions, and we did explore a variety of different ideas, but none of them captured my imagination.

It wasn’t until we started talking about ways to directly help the community that we turned to social value. I’d worked as a Councillor before I was an MP, and I’d seen activities - such as a local recycling centre - doing great things for their community, but in a contract bid, it would often come down to cost, and on that alone, they couldn’t compete. This is where the idea for the Bill began. Of course, social value wasn’t a new idea, people had been talking about it under various different guises for years, but the Bill gave it structure and provided the public sector with a means to account for the additional ‘social value’ a supplier could bring, rather than on price alone.

I need to pay a huge tribute to Andrew O’Brien and SEUK for their tremendous work in supporting and helping build the campaign around the Bill and to Mark Cook for his work drafting it – they all played a major part in making the success of the Bill possible.

The Social Value Act now impacts some £25billion of public spending. Did you think it would be so influential back in 2010?

I thought it was a good idea that could make a big difference and had longevity, but I didn’t realise how genuinely transformative the Act would be. Back then, it was more about how we could get the Bill through Parliament and then we could look at how it could evolve.

Historically Members’ Bills rarely pass in parliament. Did you have any problems getting the bill through?

We were fully aware in terms of timing that this was not long since the crash, so there was some sensitivity around the concept, but we had the good fortune of working in the period around David Cameron’s Big Society agenda. This would prove critical to the Bill’s success, given that it was a tangible manifestation of this philosophy.

It was still a challenge to get it to pass; successful PMBs are notoriously rare, and since WWII, only a handful have led to substantive legislative change. You need the support of every single government department, and as these Bills are read on Fridays when most MPs are in their constituencies, you are asking them to give up a day there, which many are understandably reluctant to do! We spent a lot of time sending out letters and emails and organising meetings with individual MPs to get their support. However, the Bill’s passage was also not unhindered by the lack of interest it inspired - perhaps because it didn’t attract such controversy, it was given a fair hearing. Of course, the support of the front bench was pretty critical, but we also garnered cross-party support, and Hazel Blears was important in persuading her Labour colleagues to assist the passage of the Bill, regardless of broader party differences.

The bill is short and non-prescriptive, was this intentional?

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Yes. The Act was a principle

A cultural change and a way of thinking rather than being prescriptive as to how procurement should be done. I wanted it to offer practical ideas and solutions, but we were also very conscious of the economic landscape. Legislation that the government would see as burdensome to business would simply not pass.

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Why does it only cover services and not goods or works?

We originally planned for it to cover goods AND services, but in the end, to get the required Government support, we faced a choice. We could include goods and services, but the threshold at which the Act would apply would be very high, or we could apply it to services only. At the time, we thought it would be better to have something to build on rather than nothing!

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The Social Value Act will be seen as an effective way of levelling up and up-skilling in this area. Photo By: John Cameron on Unsplash

Do you think the Act is still relevant today?

The fact that we are still discussing it is a testament to its relevance. Its core principles are still fresh and cutting edge in many ways. It also resonates with a values-based society, which is the direction I believe we are heading. Post-Brexit, we will be looking closer at domestic procurement policy, and I hope the Social Value Act will be seen as an effective way of levelling up and up-skilling in this area. When done right, it should not be ‘burdensome’. It’s just about rethinking the way we are doing things.

 

What are the main challenges commissioners and procurers face when it comes to social value?

One of the biggest challenges of widespread implementation and adoption of social value is the solutions - whether that’s better public services, reduction in the cost of waste etc. - are not immediate. Procurement officers are too often not measured on long-term outputs and outcomes, and budget holders often see cost savings as more immediately pressing.

​Even if your tender is about things that are meant to be mid to long-term and difficult to quantify - such as wellbeing, mental health or volunteering - you may still be tasked to be thinking short-term, which means social value is not going to be as attractive as it could be in the decision-making process. I think it will become easier once we start developing the tools to measure and quantify these things. When we start seeing budgets more as projects rather than in silos, this is when social value is going to get closer to reaching its potential.

What’s next for the Social Value Act?

The way this is going to get bigger and better is through leadership, which is always a challenge. Ministers and even governments change, and each one will want to do something different. We weren’t the first politicians to talk about this, and we won’t be the last, but let’s hope that a decade’s good work won’t be undone.

The challenge will be to build on the Social Value Act's success instead of starting afresh. We need to keep the name and make sure that we don’t lose the essence of the Act, which is about considering social value beyond the financial value of a project. If we can do this and we can connect the Social Value Act with our values-based society, then this is when we will see an even bigger impact on our lives and the lives of the communities in which we live.


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